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Well, you made it through a whole column, and somehow avoided Greece, though I can't help but suspect you had my bingo game in mind. Still, progress. So there is that. I mean, it meant a trip to D&D and ancient Rome, but still - at least the scenery was different.

Someone complained to me a while back about taking too many words to get to the point. Can't recall his name, but your column(s) today put me in mind of it. I like to peregrine myself, but all that to get from the shores of the Mediterranean to you once again telling yourself and everyone else how great thou art? There's 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon I never want to play again.

But sure, I'll play for a bit. I mean, we're here, right?

What I fear in Israel is not a weak Israel, but an Israel not committed to democratic ideals. That only values its own lives and not those of others. The Israel that elected Bibi is not without blame, on many fronts. Refer to Tom Nichols and Thomas Friedman for details. In cynically empowering Hamas at the expense of negotiating with Abbas because they do not truly want a two state solution? Blaming the generals and ignoring how he had divided the nation? Arrogance, indifference and violence to his own people? Putting his own needs ahead of the nations?

I can see why Republicans like Trump like him.

I have many of the same fears for America.

Then the presumption that those defending life are the same as those defending Hamas? I do sympathize with Israel fighting restraint. Lot easier to preach it than it is to do it.

Yet I fear those who offer simplistic solutions to complex problems. Especially when it seems as much to get back to talking about themselves, as any dead children in a far, dry desert.

You can rationalize war all you want. Tell yourself what the rules are. Wax poetic.

But war is killing. Dead is dead. The same Iraq War that killed 5000 Americans (on a credit card, because America loves making war, just not paying for it) killed about a million Iraqis. Based on a lie, greed, frustration, and pride. Their lives had value too.

Tread lightly when advocating it. Lest someone be as indifferent to your child.

(And yes, I know this is the point in the discussion where you invoke your self-righteous interpretation of your own birth control methods as being superior to everyone else's, and therefore negates any presumption that you should have to justify any of the lives taken in your name - let's just skip that part - and pretend it's Mitt Romney making the point instead of me. The point would still stand.)

I too welcomed Mr Litchfield's column last week. His concise, clear, and most importantly - correct assessment of the situation in Spotsy, as well as the failures of your piece - was a true pleasure to read.

Though I take issue with his conclusions regarding Ms Vanuch. As much as those by Mr Clay's cartoon. In that, we are in rare agreement. I find many of her reported actions wrong, but that in and of itself does not make her a member of the Klan. Unfit to lead, yes. Certainly. If you can't respect the rights of those you despise as well as those of those you love, you have no business in public service.

But while I can deplore someone whose husband was injured in war acting viscerally as a result, it seems to be something coming from anger and hurt.

For him to then use that as a basis of concluding that her opposition to projects which will affect the local Republican party politically QED means that it is perfectly justifiable to consider her a member of the klan and label her as such seems to be a bridge too far.

Her actions and positions are little different in my mind than the gerrymandering, pork projects, etc. that both parties regularly engage in, at every level.

I don't much like it, but in this we are in agreement, in that little good is done by dismissing it and her with such a horrendous label. It shuts down debate of something which seems very debatable.

Still, despite your article, and Clay's cartoon - I did learn more about the issue from the few minutes spent reading his column than I did from the whole to-do up to that point. Again, clear, concise, informative. It was a pleasant change. Looking forward to his next one.

I agree with his comments regarding folks like Ms Durant and yourself regarding yourselves as the "center" when nothing could be further from the truth. That is truly a matter of perspective, yet you present it as a given. You seem to be very willing and able to note that trait in others, but I'm wondering if it wouldn't be worthwhile to look at yourself in the same light.

His review of the structural deficits in our nation is spot on. If everyone can look at problems as objectively regardless of political persuasion and work on solutions based upon facts, I'd say we're all in agreement - we would be better off. As do the two of you. (And Mr Davis as well, it would appear.

Still, there's a reason why I voted for Joel Griffin instead of Mr Litchfield in the primary. To a degree, it's the same reason I'm willing to give Ms Vanuch a little more leeway than it seems anyone else does.

It's got to do with the cloth. I sympathize because I empathize. When I was a deputy, in a jail - where you were always outnumbered, there was one rule. Never touch the cloth. You do that, there was a price to pay.

Now many can, and do, and will, debate who, what, when, where - but whether it's Kipling's Tommy, Orwell's Pacifist, or Grenier's saying - or merely Barney Fife standing up to a town bully on the Andy Griffith Show; that rule is there.

So just as I can sympathize with Ms Vanuch's (misplaced) anger while still condemning it; I do not consider my anger displaced regarding the Republican coup attempt that led to over 100 cops just like me getting beaten within an inch of their lives, their attempt to deliberately and cynically overthrow the Constitution based upon lies which have led to multiple findings of guilt - as I see the majority of them lining up behind the man who caused all of that shame and damage to our nation.

It is not wrong to question whether someone will uphold democratic ideals, the Constitution, rule of law - when you see their party led and leading a political organization which attempted to overthrow a Presidential election based upon their predetermined belief that they didn't lose, despite evidence to the contrary. Whose leading candidate has over 90 felony charges pending. Yet just determined who became the Speaker of the House. Whose Governor just kept over 3000 Virginians illegally off the ballot. Whose School Board won't even let others speak.

And they're okay with that. That's a problem.

Back in the day, you couldn't become a deputy sheriff without attesting that you neither were, nor had been a member of the Communist Party. The reasoning being that the Communist Party advocated the violent overthrow of the government. The 14th Amendment was written, in part - to protect us from insurrectionists. They exist. We see them.

In the Republican Party of today that grows ever more extreme to the point that violence is overlooked or forgiven, and a Republican who benefits from it while saying he feels bad about it - but not so much as to not enjoy the power provided - is somehow "the center".

C'mon, man. Seriously?

And yet, Mr Litchfield - in his effusive determination to find common ground and join in debate with those such as you, ignores something that Mr Griffin, who also swore to defend the Constitution sees quite clearly.

That talk, debate, and engagement are fine. Hope they work.

But when we are having discussions with those who are actively working against the core tenets of our society; let's not get so desiring of "talking"; that we forget those tenets are non-negotiable.

Mr Griffin made real clear that he got that. Mr Litchfield, not so much. That's why one got my vote, and the other one didn't.

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